Comments on: The Islanders Report is as clumsy as a heavy horse… http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:48:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: R Auta http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-548 R Auta Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:20:35 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-548 John T, I was born here. I've never been on any benefit. I pay my taxes. I've never broken a single law. Perhaps you should stop whining and get over yourself. Wake up and smell the coffee. It's an exciting multi-cultural world out there, if you care to join it! John T, I was born here. I’ve never been on any benefit. I pay my taxes. I’ve never broken a single law. Perhaps you should stop whining and get over yourself. Wake up and smell the coffee. It’s an exciting multi-cultural world out there, if you care to join it!

]]> By: John T http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-541 John T Sun, 29 Jun 2008 03:47:11 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-541 I agree wholeheartedly with Doctor Clydesdale, in spite of the media beat-up. It's about time someone stood up and said it. I read the paper every day and dark-skinned inhabitants feature heavily in the crime stories, poor-achieving stories and hand-out stories. This is a factor which is sinking MY country - and I don't like it. The white kiwi male is gullible enough to believe the sob stories of dark-skinned inhabitants and pamper to their extortion rackets - why should my hard-earned tax money go to these slugs with their sloth culture? I agree wholeheartedly with Doctor Clydesdale, in spite of the media beat-up. It’s about time someone stood up and said it. I read the paper every day and dark-skinned inhabitants feature heavily in the crime stories, poor-achieving stories and hand-out stories. This is a factor which is sinking MY country – and I don’t like it. The white kiwi male is gullible enough to believe the sob stories of dark-skinned inhabitants and pamper to their extortion rackets – why should my hard-earned tax money go to these slugs with their sloth culture?

]]> By: R Auta http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-521 R Auta Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:19:16 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-521 I'm a 25 yr old Samoan born and bred in NZ. I am the eldest of five children. I recently completed my studies and I am currently working as a Solicitor at one of NZ's top firms. The 2nd eldest is in his last years at Med School. The 3rd is also at Uni, with the fourth in her last year at high school with ambitions of doing engineering next year. The youngest is still at primary school. My parents worked extremely hard to give us the opportunities my siblings and I have today. My mother never stopped working since she left school, with the majority of her working life holding down two jobs. She now runs her own business. My father has worked many jobs to put food on the table, such as a factory hand, a panel beater, a taxi driver, and a social worker. What sort of work ethic do you call that? We've never copied Asian/European values. These are the Pacific Island Christian working class values my grandparents brought over from Samoa back in the 60s. Even in Asian and European migrants, there are variations. Cambodians and Vietnamese are not as financially stable as the middle class Chinese, Taiwanese or Korean migrants. Cambodians and Vietnamese have similar education results as Pacific peoples. Eastern European migrants also have a slower start. But studies show that over time, migrants and their offspring improve in socio-economic statistics. Something Clydesdale failed to do in his study by comparing his outdated 2001 data with recent 2006 census statistics! I’m a 25 yr old Samoan born and bred in NZ. I am the eldest of five children. I recently completed my studies and I am currently working as a Solicitor at one of NZ’s top firms. The 2nd eldest is in his last years at Med School. The 3rd is also at Uni, with the fourth in her last year at high school with ambitions of doing engineering next year. The youngest is still at primary school. My parents worked extremely hard to give us the opportunities my siblings and I have today. My mother never stopped working since she left school, with the majority of her working life holding down two jobs. She now runs her own business. My father has worked many jobs to put food on the table, such as a factory hand, a panel beater, a taxi driver, and a social worker.

What sort of work ethic do you call that? We’ve never copied Asian/European values. These are the Pacific Island Christian working class values my grandparents brought over from Samoa back in the 60s.

Even in Asian and European migrants, there are variations. Cambodians and Vietnamese are not as financially stable as the middle class Chinese, Taiwanese or Korean migrants. Cambodians and Vietnamese have similar education results as Pacific peoples. Eastern European migrants also have a slower start. But studies show that over time, migrants and their offspring improve in socio-economic statistics. Something Clydesdale failed to do in his study by comparing his outdated 2001 data with recent 2006 census statistics!

]]> By: allesam http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-491 allesam Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:21:54 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-491 Hiya, Just wanted to say whoever wrote the article here - good form! It's great, I love it. Very witty and funny. It's so nice to see people can see beyond what they are told. Here is a website of critique on Dr Clydesdale's report: http://www.minpac.govt.nz/PaulCallister.pdf. Thanks again. Hiya, Just wanted to say whoever wrote the article here – good form! It’s great, I love it. Very witty and funny. It’s so nice to see people can see beyond what they are told.
Here is a website of critique on Dr Clydesdale’s report:
http://www.minpac.govt.nz/PaulCallister.pdf.
Thanks again.

]]> By: admin http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-480 admin Mon, 26 May 2008 09:51:08 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-480 Good point, Bob. The difference here is that Asians outperform everyone because they are genetically, socially and often religiously hard-wired to succeed. This may be to do with too many people competing for too little space in easily invaded territory. What we can see is that this impetus to succeed is handed down from generation to generation. If the initial generation doesn't have the impetus, you end up with Maori and Pacific Island values being handed down. The issue is: either these ethnic groups sign up to Asian or European values, encouraged by the majority population, or we generate our own unique underclass. Good point, Bob. The difference here is that Asians outperform everyone because they are genetically, socially and often religiously hard-wired to succeed. This may be to do with too many people competing for too little space in easily invaded territory. What we can see is that this impetus to succeed is handed down from generation to generation. If the initial generation doesn’t have the impetus, you end up with Maori and Pacific Island values being handed down. The issue is: either these ethnic groups sign up to Asian or European values, encouraged by the majority population, or we generate our own unique underclass.

]]> By: Bob R http://www.gog.org.nz/2008/05/21/the-islanders-report-is-as-clumsye-as-a-heavy-horse/comment-page-1/#comment-476 Bob R Sat, 24 May 2008 04:48:59 +0000 http://www.gog.org.nz/?p=235#comment-476 "Independently, we found that much of young Pacific Islanders’ poor academic performance can be attributed to a low starting base." What about Indians and Asians though who have also come from a low starting base in many cases? In the case of Asians, they actually outperform Europeans on average which correlates to their higher, on average, performance on IQ tests. http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/ Certainly a low starting position is one factor, but what about culture? It's been pretty well documented that LA 'gangsta' culture is pretty popular amongst polynesian youth. How much of a factor is this, with its glamorisation of a violent, macho lifestyle? “Independently, we found that much of young Pacific Islanders’ poor academic performance can be attributed to a low starting base.”

What about Indians and Asians though who have also come from a low starting base in many cases? In the case of Asians, they actually outperform Europeans on average which correlates to their higher, on average, performance on IQ tests. http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178123/

Certainly a low starting position is one factor, but what about culture? It’s been pretty well documented that LA ‘gangsta’ culture is pretty popular amongst polynesian youth. How much of a factor is this, with its glamorisation of a violent, macho lifestyle?

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